Comments on: Texas PIs Try to Legislate Themselves Out of Obsolescence, PC Techs Under Fire

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By: Benjamin Wright

Benjamin Wright — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:05:05 +0000

David: This Texas legislation is causing problems for robo-cop traffic enforcement. A Texas judge said the company running a red-light camera was acting illegally because it did not have a private investigator license. On the basis of this ruling, motorists are challenging traffic tickets. See deails: http://legal-beagle.typepad.com/wrights_legal_beagle/2008/12/e-discovery-forensics-private-investigator-license-for-computer-data-collection-and-assessment.html --Ben

By: Kim Saylors

Kim Saylors — Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:13:14 +0000

David,

I was glad to have met you online a few nights ago. Talking with you about this ridiculous law relieved my tension over the matter drastically. Being a full time IT student and trying to build a small client base for my home based business is not an easy task. When I heard this law requires me to get a PI license, I about lost all hope of ever helping my children through college because my own education is already costing me a fortune and if we have to throw in a BA in Criminal Justice, well then “Houston, we have a problem”. I have written my Congressman on the matter and I plan to blog all over the place to get the word out. I am sure there are many people who just are not aware of this law. I only found out by trying to keep my new people network alive and well by wishing a collegue a Happy Thanksgiving. He told me this new law has put him out of business. I was sorry to hear that bit of news, not just because it took away a business connection from me, but because it stole a person’s dream from them. I hope to do more to help in getting this law changed in any way I can. I will work on it continuously.

By: David Norelid

David Norelid — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:24:21 +0000

While the minutes of that meeting are promising, a meeting’s minutes nor a declaration of intent have the force of law. If what they say is true, then I would be very happy to see the text of the law changed next session. Until then, though, their words and promises have no weight in the court of law.

By: Stacy Flores

Stacy Flores — Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:03:26 +0000

The Texas Department of Public Safety’s Private Security Bureau website was just updated, at http://www.txdps. state.tx. us/psb/AgendaIte mXIV.pdf, to clarify that only computer repair technicians who are seeking computer data to use as evidence in a criminal or civil hearing must be licensed by the Bureau under the Texas Private Security Act (Chapter 1702, Texas Occupations Code). The update is entitled “Minutes of July 23, 2008 Private Security Board Meeting, Agenda Item XIV, Regarding Computer Repair Technicians.”
The portion of the 23 July Private Security Board minutes that are now considered policy of the Private Security Bureau when enforcing the forensic computer repair issue is as follows:

“(a) Information obtained through the review and analysis of the content of computer-based data with the intent to use such data a evidence in a criminal or civil hearing must be obtained and furnished by an investigations company license under the Act or by an individual exempted from licensure under §1702.323 (a) of the Act. (b) The repair or maintenance of a computer does not require licensing under the Act, even if during the course of the repair or maintenance the person discovers information described by §1702.104 (a) (1).”
The Texas Occupations Code can be found online at http://tlo2. tlc.state. tx.us/statutes/ oc.toc.htm.

By: Viz

Viz — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:22:07 +0000

God help you. If this law doesn’t get repealed in Texas, you better believe every other state won’t be far behind.

It’s another way to collect fees, fines and taxes so it won’t be hard to convince lawmakers to suck us dry. I’ll pursue my lifelong dream of opening a gaming pc builder if this comes to my state. No windows fixes, reimage only 8).

What a bunch of vultures…

-Viz

By: David Norelid

David Norelid — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:49:17 +0000

The language of both the law and the Bureau’s opinions paint the central term, “investigation”, with strokes that are far too broad. If the case is truly that it does not apply to all computer repair people, then great, let’s go and talk to a judge about it and fix up the language in the law.

I’m going to defer to the opinion of the Institute for Justice, with scads of lawyers and 18 years of experience doing this sort of thing. They surely can read between the lines better than you or I or other bloggers who have been weighing in on this issue.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 19:33:42 +0000

This seems to be a very incorrect reading of the law in question, which at most can be read to cover forensic examiners of data.

Statutory analysis here:

http://www.popehat.com/2008/07/02/pc-repair-two-hundred-dollars-a-day-plus-expenses/

By: Must you be a PI to fix computers in Texas? « Ablestmage.com

Must you be a PI to fix computers in Texas? « Ablestmage.com — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 09:01:14 +0000

[...] Citronix (a Houston-based computer repair fim) actually provides a decent level of coverage, citing various bits of the legal document itself and making the case for computer repair woes. Apparently the new law went into effect on September 1, 2007, and relatively few computer repair businesses were even aware of it. [...]

By: David Norelid

David Norelid — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:21:02 +0000

This is one of the many many bills that get passed every year without much discussion or coverage. There is only news and discussion on it now because the Institute of Justice filed a lawsuit only last week to get the law changed.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:38:19 +0000

I work for a computer repair company in Houston, and I looked at the bill, and it says the act takes effect on September 1st, 2007, all though I hadn’t heard of it until today. What’s going on with that? Why is everyone just now starting to talk about it? Am I missing something?

By: David Norelid

David Norelid — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:28:07 +0000

Unfortunately, that’s an old myth. An officer of the law does not have to disclose his identity, even if asked outright.

http://www.snopes.com/risque/hookers/cop.asp

By: Geek Chick

Geek Chick — Wed, 02 Jul 2008 07:59:44 +0000

Doesn’t an officer with DPS have to disclose their identity when asked? What I want to know is: If a technician asked the customer, if they are employed by the Texas Department of Public Safety, before computer repair services are provided does the officer have to answer correctly? Maybe we need to verify our customers to keep from getting arrested, until this is all worked out. ~~Thanks, Geek Chick~~

By: A PI License to Fix PCS!!?! | Diary of a Network Geek

A PI License to Fix PCS!!?! | Diary of a Network Geek — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 17:51:40 +0000

[...] that is from an article at Citronix Computer Techs. [...]

By: Citronix Tech Services and the Institute for Justice sue Texas | Citronix Tech Services - Houston Computer Repair

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 11:11:21 +0000

[...] technicians to hold private investigator’s licenses for a lot of the computer work we do. I wrote about the law a month ago and will spare you the details [...]

By: Texas Department of Public Safety Sets up Licensing Stings | Citronix Tech Services - Houston Computer Repair

Tue, 01 Jul 2008 09:35:29 +0000

[...] wrote a few weeks ago about a new law that would require Texas computer repair shops to get private investigator’s licenses in order to do many types of computer work. While no one has been prosecuted under this new rule, [...]

By: Not to sure were to post this.... - Computer Forums

Not to sure were to post this.... - Computer Forums — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:39:25 +0000

[...] Not to sure were to post this…. Has anyone heard about this? Texas PIs Try to Legislate Themselves Out of Obsolescence, PC Techs Under Fire | Citronix Tech Servi… [...]

By: Have a balky PC in Texas? Hire a PI - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum

Have a balky PC in Texas? Hire a PI - Bad Astronomy and Universe Today Forum — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 21:34:34 +0000

[...] under the umbrella of investigations that would require a private investigator license… Citronex __________________ [...]